Deism and Modern Geology

Deism and Geology | Deism and Geology, what this have to do with geology? This is an important area to study if we are to understand the evolution/creation debate. #podcast #creationpodcastDeism and Modern Geology – Episode 19

Deism and Geology, what does this have to do with geology? This is an important area to study if we are to understand the evolution/creation debate.

The word, Deism comes from a Latin word, deus, meaning god. It was used to describe a particular belief about god that was distinguished from the Greek word used in the New Testament of God, – theos – from which we get the word, theology.

The idea of deism took shape during the Enlightenment (1700 1800s) and was a period of intense challenge for the church. Most deists were part of the church of England but struggled with traditional Christian belief. Many deists were Unitarians, who did not accept the Trinity, the deity of Christ, the Scriptures as inspired writings nor miracles. They believed that Jesus was a good moral teacher only.

In 1795 James Hutton introduced the idea that the Earth was much older than the Bible stated,  based on rocks he was studying at Siccar Point, Scotland; to him, long ages was the only way to account for the formation of the rock layers. Hutton developed his own ideas about their formation, calling his new idea, uniformitarianism (uniformity of geologic processes operating the same way and at the same pace throughout all of time). Instead of maintaining the standard that had been established in the Garden several thousand years before, to listen to and trust what God had revealed in the Scriptures, Hutton abandoned it in favor of a totally naturalistic process for explaining the rock layers he saw. So, instead of interpreting the rock layers in light of the historical geology of the Flood, he concluded that the rock layers had been formed over perhaps millions of years, much longer than the Bible’s chronology would allow. This is really the beginning of modern geology.

Deism and Geology:

Uniformitarianism became the bedrock of modern geology, and it involved belief. This meant that geologists would have to jettison the foundational Biblical concepts of a young earth or recent creation and a global flood. Uniformitarianism would serve as the new revelation, and substitute a new religion called Deism. These two faiths, uniformitarianism and Deism were the children of the Enlightenment and the foundation of the new geology we now embrace in our modern culture.

Deism is really a heresy of theism and an intermediate step to the atheism so prevalent in our modern culture. The god of Deism was a god removed from his creation. He did create at some distant time in the past, but then left natural laws to govern his creation. Man no longer needed a god or religious writings to understand Earth history. Man was to use his powers of observation within a naturalistic view of Earth history. This belief would soon be endorsed by the scientific community and taught in science classes as scientific fact.

Deism and Geology, what this have to do with geology? This is an important area to study if we are to understand the evolution/creation debate.Deism has elements of both atheism and theism, but clothes itself in scientific jargon. As a religion, however, Deism has sort of slipped back into the shadows so that it looks like just another religious bygone component of Christianity. But it is here in the form of uniformitarian geology.

Deism is neither an active belief in God nor an active disbelief in God. It allows the conscience to simply deal with God by considering Him irrelevant. And this is what many scientists of that time (1800s) did.

One of the biggest consequences of Deism is what it does with accounts in the Scripture that document God’s direct involvement in His creation. For example, read Psalm 78:43-55, concerning what God did in the land of Egypt when He brought Israel out of Egypt.

When He performed His signs in Egypt and His marvels in the field of Zoan, and turned their rivers to blood, and their streams, they could not drink. He sent among them swarms of flies which devoured them, and frogs which destroyed them. He gave also their crops to the grasshopper and the product of their labor to the locust. He destroyed their vines with hailstones and their sycamore trees with frost. He gave over their cattle also to the hailstones and their herds to bolts of lightning. He sent upon them His burning anger, fury and indignation and trouble, a band of destroying angels. He leveled a path for His anger; He did not spare their soul from death, but gave over their life to the plague, and smote all the firstborn in Egypt, the first issue of their virility in the tents of Ham. But He led forth His own people like sheep and guided them in the wilderness like a flock; He led them safely, so that they did not fear; but the sea engulfed their enemies. So, He brought them to His holy land, to this hill country which His right hand had gained. He also drove out the nations before them and apportioned them for an inheritance by measurement and made the tribes of Israel dwell in their tents.

What is the practical consequence of Deism on Biblical history?

  1. Deism denies this historical account. It treats it as myth.
  2. It denies this account of God’s involvement in history. The account recorded in this passage was an unenlightened scribe’s way of explaining the unexplainable.
  3. It denies the miraculous nature of the events that are recorded in the passage. Since Deism denies the existence of miracles and insists that everything must be explained in terms of naturalistic processes, the whole of God’s nature and even His existence is in question.
  4. It denies the legitimacy of Israel’s appointment to the land apportioned to them by God. As Deism denies the Biblical story of Israel, as secular archaeologists tell us, then Israel has no foundation for their insistence that Israel and Jerusalem belong to them.
  5. As this history, as recorded in this passage, is in doubt, then the whole ascendancy of the Messiah (Jesus) is in doubt. Jesus came out of Israel. If Israel is in question, so is the Messiah. Consequently, the whole Bible is in doubt.

Deism in the guise of uniformitarianism is not a science, but another religion masquerading as scientific geology.

Deism is also a different presentation of history. It is a different story about a different god than the story and the God of the Bible. It is that secular geologists say that the recent history of the Earth (as the Bible teaches) is a myth and cannot be trusted because it cannot be verified by scientific research. And yet, these same geologists ask us to trust their work and their teaching about an alternative Earth history that happened hundreds of millions of years ago, which also cannot be tested or verified by science.

The effects of deism have left their mark on our modern fields of science and history. Modern geology has combined two different subjects, Earth Science and Earth History, to come up with a respectable-looking academic subject. In reality, however, we are learning a religious, atheistic view of Earth history that has earned the respect of the scientific establishment.

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Tower of Babel – Myth or Real

Tower of Babel | To get an idea of when the event at the Tower of Babel took place, we have to refer to the genealogies in Genesis. From these, we can figure out that it happened after the Flood, but before the birth of Abraham. #podcast #creationscience The Tower of Babel – Episode 18

To get an idea of when the event at the Tower of Babel took place, we have to refer to the genealogies in Genesis. From these, we can figure out that it happened after the Flood, but before the birth of Abraham. Following the genealogies, we can determine that the Tower of Babel event took place before year 2,008, which was about the time that Abraham was born. And going back from there, we trace Abraham’s genealogy back to Peleg, who was born in the year 1,757, about 100 years after the Flood.

Peleg makes a good historical marker to work from and to analyze what happened at Babel. So we are going to look at the events surrounding the days of Peleg, starting with a person named Nimrod.

The Tower of Babel includes understand genealogy:

Nimrod was the grandson of Noah’s son, Ham. Nimrod built Babel, or Babylon, among other cities. Nimrod was called a mighty hunter before the Lord. It appears that Nimrod was bent being a ruler who conquers, and God sees this. Nimrod’s name means rebel, and more properly, it means The Rebel. Outside of Scripture, he is credited with the introduction of a new religion that was contrary to God’s standards and person. All throughout history, there has been a division between those that want to follow the Lord, and those that don’t. It is very likely, given Nimrod’s rebellious nature, that the Tower was set up by Nimrod to cause division between the people of God and a new religion.

Back to Peleg: Peleg was a descendant of Shem, and, according to the genealogies,  could possibly have known Nimrod. Peleg was in the line of Seth, so likely he was given the knowledge of the true God through Shem. Peleg’s name means division. It is very possible that his name is a reflection of the division that took place at the Tower of Babel.

The result of the division that happened at the Tower was that men scattered throughout the earth, divided by language. It would not be surprising that they divided further based on shared skills or ideas. In particular, when looking at Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon people, it is likely we are looking at the results of some of these groupings that happened after the division at Babel.

This brings up the question about evolution as envisioned by Charles Darwin and the fossil skulls that have been found. This is why understanding what happened at the Tower of Babel is so critical.

The fossil skulls are seen as the various stages of evolution of man from an ape-like creature to modern man. And it is not just the skulls that are pointed to, but also the tools that have been found with these civilizations. They are said to point to the evolution of man. But if the Tower of Babel really took place, then these different tools and skulls are just relics of a great division that took place at Babel. The differences among the skulls and tools are just evidence of a struggle that was taking place in a hostile world. Man was struggling for survival, not for evolutionary progress. These mistaken ideas are really the root of racism. Darwin and others like him during his time thought that the pinnacle of evolution of man was the white European, and he believed that black people represented inferior races. These ideas influenced other evolutionists. For example, the famous dinosaur hunter, E. D. Cope believed in this idea and advocated for the return of the former slaves to Africa. Henry Fairfield Osborn of Nebraska Man fame advocated for the sterilization of what was thought to be inferior people.

Anthropology is the study of man, and Paleoanthropology is the study of ancient man. It is based in the study of ancient fossils in order to establish the evolutionary history of animals and plants, including man. In the early days of anthropology, it was believed that you could determine a person’s intelligence by measuring the size of their brain. If you had a larger brain, then you were more intelligent. Darwin and Thomas Huxley both followed this line of thinking.

The Christian and Hebrew position has always been that God created from one man and woman, the human race. One race. That race was divided at the Tower of Babel into various cultures and languages, which were the forerunners of what we have today.

Perhaps the differences that we are looking at are the differences between varieties of apes, and, on the other hand, different human beings, some of which could have been related to the incident at the Tower of Babel.

This explanation certainly would line up with the account of the Tower of Babel. The story in Scripture gives a credible framework that we can then fit the evidence into.

 

 

 

 

 

Global Flood

Global Flood | As we talk about the Genesis Global Flood and its significance, it is important to, first of all, determine if it was a global or a local event. Did the Flood cover the whole earth or just Mesopotamia? | #podcast #creationpodcast The Global Flood Episode 17

The Four Great Global Events of Genesis The Flood

As we talk about the Genesis Global Flood and its significance, it is important to, first of all, determine if it was a global or a local event. Did the Flood cover the whole earth or just Mesopotamia?

Genesis indicates that the Flood was global, affecting all of the earth. If this was not the case, then the rainbow that the Lord gave as a sign of His promise would have been a promise given just to the people of Mesopotamia and would have had no significance for the rest of the world. Why does the world need to be reminded that the Lord would never flood Mesopotamia again? This would have been a huge waste of time and space to take four chapters of Genesis to tell a story that is irrelevant to future generations.

Global Flood:

We also need to decide if the story of the Flood is anything more than a myth. It is true that the Flood cannot be proven by science, but the same is true of the uniformitarian view of our earth. Uniformitarianism also can not prove that the earth is a product of processes over millions of years. To be classified as science, it must be able to be tested, observed, and repeated. This is not possible with uniformitarianism.

Scripture is not intended to be a scientific dissertation on geology, but it is a historical record that presents the global Flood as a real historical event. The real question to address is, can the Flood explain the geological landforms, rocks, and fossils that we see today? And the answer is, yes.

Global Flood:

There are two major stages as recorded in the Scripture concerning the Flood – the filling stage, or the inundation stage. This is found in Genesis 7:23-24. The second stage, the receding stage, is found in Gen 8:1-16. Although there is no scientific terminology in either of these passages, there are quite a few geological implications in these passages.

Here are the verses and activity/geological implications:

Gen.7:4 – Extinction

Gen. 7:11 – Tectonic upheaval

Gen. 7:11 – Torrential and violent rain, massive flooding

Gen. 7:17 – Massive amounts of rock and sediment torn up and moved

Gen. 7:18 – The waters and their strength increase, causing erosion and transportation of sediments

Gen. 7:19 – The Flood was deep, covering the entire earth

Gen. 7:21 – The Flood was devastating to life, which is what the fossil record shows

Gen. 7:22 – Dead things buried in rock layers all over the earth

Ge. 7:23 – All air-breathing, land-dwelling life outside of the ark perished

Gen. 7:24 – It took 150 days for the water to reach a maximum depth

Gen. 8:1 – Water draining off the earth carved great ravines, channels, and planation surfaces

Gen. 8:2 – Wet sediments torn up by the Flood begin to settle

Gen. 8:3 – Receding flood waters would have caused rapid and catastrophic cutting and planation

Ge. 8:5 – Continued planation and channelized erosion

Gen. 8:34 – Some sediments during this time would have hardened, others would have warped during the tectonic processes of the Flood

 

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A Novel Approach – Teach Creation To Kids

Teach Creation | When you teach creation to kids it can seem overwhelming, perhaps you don't know where to begin. #podcast #homeschoolpodcast #creationpodcastTeach Creation To Kids With A Novel – Episode 16

When you teach creation to kids it can seem overwhelming, perhaps you don’t know where to begin. In this interview (listen to the first one here), author Felice Gerwitz interviews her co-author, and daughter Christina Gerwitz Moss. Christina had a passion for writing and she turned her interest in science and writing into a novel that will teach creation to kids.

The Truth Seekers Mystery Series is chock full of science facts. The series was reviewed by several creation scientists and there is even a vocabulary list at the back! You can purchase the book on Amazon or via the Media Angels Membership website.

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The Truth Seeker’s Mystery Series is comprised of three novels, The Missing Link Found, Dinosaur Quest at Diamond Peak and The Keys To The Past Unlocked. In each novel, the children uncover a mystery and discover different aspects of creation. It is easy to teach creation to kids when they are captivated by a story that engages and encourages discussion. Thousands of people have read the novel and the feedback has been wonderful. These novels were written when Christina was homeschooled and finished when she entered college. Now Christina is a homeschool mom and is able to teach creation to her children.

Truth Seekers Mystery Series

Mystery Series | Has you child wanted to write a book? What about a mystery? Join Felice as she interviews her co-author and daughter. | #podcast #homeschoolpodcast #creationscienceTruth Seekers Mystery Series Episode 

Join Felice Gerwitz as she interviews her co-author in the Truth Seeker’s Mystery Series, Christina (Gerwitz) Moss. Christina shares her homeschool experience and how the series evolved from an idea to three books in the series.

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Christina began the idea of writing a novel and finally convinced her mom it was a good idea. When Felice, a non-fiction author with a publishing company, Media Angels, Inc. explained she didn’t know how to write a novel, her daughter shot back. “We are homeschoolers we can figure it out!” And figure it out they did.

First In The Truth Seekers Mystery Series

Christina’s first novel, The Missing Link Found (Book One in the Truth Seekers Mystery Series) outsold her mother’s Creation Science: A Study Guide at the convention debut. In fact, this book helped children learn about Creation science in a fun way and in turn they were enthusiastic about attending creation science events.

The Fall

The Fall ~ The Four Great Global Events of Genesis

The book of Genesis outlines four great global events, The Fall is the second. The first event, the Creation,  was meant to reveal from where all mankind originated, and his purpose. The second great global event has been called the Fall. This word captures the historical and universal significance of what took place in Genesis 3.

The Fall

The Fall was actually a series of corruptive events and consequences that changed the way all people would relate to God, the spiritual realm, and to one another from that time forward. Genesis 1-2 makes it very clear that Adam and Eve were the first human beings on this planet, and from them all subsequent humans have descended. Consequently, the Fall is a global event. It impacted all of mankind.

The Fall had eternal consequences because it took away the innocence of man and caused Adam and Eve to pass on the inclination to do evil. This resulted in physical death and eternal loss.

The very first sentence of Genesis 3 sets the tone for this event: “Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made.” It is clear from this passage that something is not quite right. What is this creature doing in the garden that God had made for Adam and Eve?

This creature in the garden had the ability to talk and think.  No other creature had this ability. It is easy, therefore, to see how Adam and Eve could have thought that he knew more then they did, and was wise. 1 Corinthians tells us that Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. We see this very thing happening in the garden.

In looking at the Fall, we notice that the first thing to happen was for the Devil to usurp God’s authority. He says, “Indeed, has God said you shall not eat from any tree of the garden?”

The name, Satan means an adversary or one who resists. Only an adversary would work at cross purposes with God. The friend of God would strive to help another believe God’s words, not undermine them.

In response to the devil’s challenge, Eve tells the serpent that the penalty for disobeying God was death. He responded (Gen. 3:14), “You surely will not die. For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

So the devil’s tactics in Genesis 3 were:

  • To attempt to twist God’s word
  • Contradict God’s word
  • Offer an alternative to God’s word – his own opinion.
  • Make his own opinion appealing by casting doubt on God’s character.

This theme appears again and again in history.

Ephesians 6:16 says, “in addition to all, taking up the shield of faith with which you will be able to extinguish all the flaming missiles of the evil one.” The word faith (or believe) means to trust. As the serpent throws missiles over the walls we have set up, above all, we are to take up believing in God’s word so that those missiles can be extinguished. Not trusting and listening to  God’s word was the beginning of the Fall.

The Second Stage of The Fall

The second stage of the Fall took place shortly after this, an enlightenment of sorts. Gen. 3:7 says, “Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loin coverings.” This enlightenment that was brought to them resulted in shame, guilt, and fear, and they attempted to cover their sin.

Like this enlightenment, the Enlightenment of the 1700-1800s, brought great breakthroughs in medicine and science. But this Enlightenment was also very similar to what happened in the garden. Science began to take over the role of revealing things that really could not be known by science – the age of the earth, the age of dinosaurs, the age of rock layers, the origin of man, and so on. For the last 250 years, science has dominated the historical and philosophical realm, in addition to its own realm. It has taken the place of what God had revealed to us in His Scriptures.

This has led to disastrous acts and events. For instance, the ideas of evolution and naturalism brought us the horrors of WW II. Nazis and Japanese rationalized their brutal treatment of people because they thought that they were the superior race. Evolution, part of the offspring of the Enlightenment, was the root of our modern thinking about races.

The Fall tore mankind away from his creator and the relationship for which man and woman were created. The Fall brought:

  • Fear, guilt and shame
  • Distrust of God’sword
  • Blaming those closet to us for shortcomings
  • Superstition and religious worship of other gods
  • Hatred of others not like me
  • Self-centeredness and greed
  • Pain, sorrow, and death
  • Broken relationships
  • Broken promises
  • War

Nothing good has come from breaking free from our Creator. The Fall so ruined man that it took God to set it right again in the person of His Son, Jesus Christ, who took the penalty that we rightly deserved for our rebellion. Rom 5:6, 18-19 says, “For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly…So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men. For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.”

 

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Four Great Events of Genesis ~ Creation

Creation | Many Christians, although rejecting evolution or long ages to explain our earth and its development, are unable to expound their own revealed history found in Scripture, or to counter false history from secularists. #podcast #christianpodcastFour Great Events of Genesis ~ Creation Episode 13

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Part One: The Creation

Many Christians, although rejecting evolution or long ages to explain our earth and its development, are unable to expound their own revealed history found in Scripture, or to counter false history from secularists.

As you study your Scriptures, you will notice many subtleties that contain great insights into history. Some of this is seen in the word knowledge, used throughout the Bible. The Hebrews distinguished between wisdom and knowledge. Both are knowledge, but wisdom is knowledge learned through practice or obedience to Scripture. Knowledge, or the facts of knowledge, are learned through the comprehension of the words of Scripture.

In the New Testament, the Greeks used the word, gnosis for knowledge. Paul used this word in 1 Timothy 6:20-21. “O Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you, avoiding worldly and empty chatter and the opposing arguments of what is falsely called knowledge (gnosis) which some of you have professed and thus gone astray from the faith. Grace be with you.”

In the KJV, the word gnosis is translated “science.” The word science would not be the best translation here, as the word science is a transliteration of the Latin word, Scientia (knowledge), and came later. The word knowledge would be the better translation, as it means the scriptures, the knowledge of God.

Paul is teaching us that there is true knowledge and false knowledge. True knowledge is revealed in the Scripture and includes God’s morality, His person, His work, and His creation. The false knowledge, embedded in modern science, in the form of the so-called historical sciences, moves people away from the true knowledge and substitutes another type of knowledge – that which is gained by man solely apart from revealed knowledge or gnosis.

The Bible never contradicts genuine science, that is, knowledge gained by observation, testing, and repetition of those tests. But much science today has become dogma, especially in the field of geology. Today, science has added to a collection of facts by jettisoning the Scriptures in favor of so-called enlightened men and women discovering knowledge strictly through predetermined proofs, like fossils.

The word science does mean knowledge, but modern science or what is called the historical sciences is knowledge derived from a combination of human perception or observation and human interpretation done by qualified people: those who are trained in the modern system of science, including its philosophy or interpretation. Much of modern geology is not science, but interpretation. Because of this, it drives people away from true knowledge, gnosis, of God, which is the Scriptures. It has become a type of Gnosticism.

Why is this important to the discussion of the four Great Global Events of Genesis? The first eleven chapters of Genesis reveal that there is a history recorded there that is meant to be taken and adhered to. And most of our modern problems are exposed through four great global historical events. Understanding these can help people to understand why we have many problems in our modern society.

The first great global event of Genesis was the Creation. There is no way to harmonize the Genesis account with what is claimed today by scientists for the beginning of our world.

King Hezekiah prayed in Is 37:16, “O LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, who is enthroned above the cherubim, You are the God, You alone, of all kingdoms of the earth. You have made heaven and earth.” This is an exclusive statement. Notice that the reason that Hezekiah proclaims Him to be the only God alone is that He made the heaven and the earth. When secularists say that our heaven and earth originated from purely naturalistic processes, they take away the authority of God.

God made us. This alone makes him the supreme being and the God of everything and everyone. The Hebrew phrase for this is “Lord of Hosts.”

When we choose to dethrone God, it starts a very destructive chain action. If we are not accountable to God, then who are we accountable to? This ultimately leads to me being my own boss, doing what I think is right.

Because God is the Creator, he is the source of all meaningful and right life. When Adam and Eve rebelled, they separated themselves from the source of life, the Lord. Man began to die spiritually and physically.

Nothing in our world has been right since that time. The troubles in our world are not due to quirks of evolutionary progress but are the result of rejecting our creator and His rightful place as Lord of Hosts.

Another consequence of rejecting the God of the Bible as the Creator is the disappearance of the conscience. Most Christians have a sensitive conscience, and they understand accountability. If Christianity is kept out of societal and political life, the conscience of accountability will disappear. Christians, of all people, know that when society ceases to be accountable to a moral God, it is bad for society. Culture will quickly erode.  For the most part, Christians have been a constructive and good force in the world throughout history, and for very good reason.

God created us with a deep sense of morality, conscience, and accountability. This is what is meant by, “He created them, male and female, in the image of God.”

The first great global event of Genesis was the Creation. This event established the right order in our world. When we reject our creator, we upset that order and bring ruin into our lives, our society, and our relationships.


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Rock Layers Show History

Creation Layers | The study of rock layers is called stratigraphy. The strata is supposed to reveal the history of the earth. #podcast #creationpodcastWhat do the Rock Layers Actually Show?

The study of rock layers is called stratigraphy. The strata is supposed to reveal the history of the earth. Secular geologists say that the rock layers and their ancient ages teach the opposite of what the Bible teaches. If they are correct, there is no way we can believe what the Bible says. To understand the secular viewpoint, we need to explore some history.

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In the late 1700s and into the 1800s, scientists decided that the rock layers in the earth were very old. Although many today think that the age of the rocks is decided by radiometric dating, in truth this is not possible, and that idea wasn’t even developed until over a century after scientists decided the age of the rocks. And, of course, rocks and fossils have no dates stamped on them, to tell their age. There is actually no scientific or observable way to tell how old the layers are.

Up until the late 1700s, the study of rock layers was done in light of the Genesis Flood. At that time, the Enlightenment began to shape modern thinking in Europe about God, the church, the Scriptures, and Western civilization. God was no longer seen as the One Who created the earth just a short time ago.

Those who embraced these ideas called themselves Deists. Deism taught that the earth was created by God in the remote past, but that He was no longer involved in nature as recorded by the Bible.

This is more properly when modern geology began.

James Hutton (1726-1797), the Father of Modern Geology, said, “The earth is older than what the Bible says, because it looks older.” He postulated that the rock layers that we see around us were formed over millions of years, by slow, natural processes (called uniformitarianism).  God’s intervention had nothing to do with it. And so, modern geology began to develop into a totally naturalistic interpretation of the rock layers.

But do the rocks show that they are old? Not at all. A set of layers can give the appearance of age simply by being subjected to rapid and severe erosion. In the 1830s, William Smith, a geological engineer in England, noticed fossil marine shells in some rock layers, and not in others. His conclusion was that this showed likely successive creations and catastrophes, but that were unrelated to a Biblical Flood. This led to the idea of fossil succession through time, a precursor to evolution. The historical account of the Flood was no longer a viable explanation for the rock layers. Only naturalistic processes over a long period of time could explain it. This idea was fully entrenched in Western society by the end of the 1800s, and was expressed and developed in Darwin’s On the Origin of Species (1859).

In secular geology today, fossils are the key to arranging the rock layers in an order that portrays hundreds of millions of years of slow, developing evolution. To most scientists, the rocks are old because the fossils in them show evolution over hundreds of millions of years. The fossils tell us how old the rocks are, and the rock layers are old because they preserve a record of evolutionary history in the fossils, which must have taken a long period of time. This is classic circular reasoning.

In order to date the rocks, there must be a belief that evolution is a fact, and that fossils represent stages of evolutionary growth. But this has never been observed. So if this did not take place, what do the rock layers actually show?

Rock layers are simply that – rock layers. Some contain fossils, and some don’t. There’s no way to scientifically put an age on the rocks and fossils. But there is an alternative view to dating the rocks that is rooted in history. Uniformitarianism has only about 200 years of observed history to work with, and it denies anything to do with the historical Genesis Flood, which took place over 4000 years before uniformitarianism was invented. Uniformitarianism is not a complete historical viewpoint, and it isn’t science.

The historical framework of the Genesis Flood gives a different picture of the origin of the rock layers and the fossils contained there.  The world today is globally damaged and scarred. It is vastly different from the world of that time:

  • Climate was much more even, more lush vegetation.
  • Man lived longer.
  • Disease and sickness did not seem to be present.
  • Geologic processes that produced devastating erosion were non-existent.
  • The death seen in the rock layers was a result of overwhelming global destruction, not gradual changes over millions of years.

Formation of fossils is sparse today, unlike the record in the rocks. This shows that the fossils in the rock record must have been formed under totally different conditions than today: catastrophic water and mud conditions prevail in the sedimentary fossil-bearing rocks.

We also observe extinction in the rock record. Today, extinction is gradual and isolated. But the rock record shows massive amounts of plants and animals that seem to have suddenly disappeared in mass graveyards, and then were quickly hardened into stone.

The rock layers show:

  • Various kinds of rocks mixed together
  • Varieties of fossilized plants and animal, many which are extinct
  • An abundance of minerals and precious ores that are not being replaced today
  • Extreme deformities in landforms worldwide
  • Rock layers with flat contacts between layers, indicating very little time for erosion
  • Catastrophism on a grand scale, with most of the fossils being disarticulated and scattered

Rock layers are just that, layers of rocks stacked on top of each other. It is the interpretation of these that builds a particular view of their origin. There is no science that could authenticate how they formed or originated.

What about radiometric dating? Radiometric dating involves interpretation and assumption to make it work. Please listen to my podcast, “Has Radiometric Dating Poisoned Your Faith,” for a more thorough treatment of the subject.

To build a solid Scriptural worldview of Earth history, we need to pay more attention to our Scriptural historical presentation. You must know your Scriptures in order to interpret what you see in the rock layers.

Bedrock Geology (kit)

Bedrock Geology (book)
Genesis: Rock Solid

Radiometric Dating

Radiometric Dating | Age dating varies and many lose their faith due to error. | #podcast #homeschool @homeschoolpodcastHas Radiometric Dating Poisoned Your Faith? Episode 11

Introduction ~ Radiometric dating can destroy your trust in the Bible.

Some Observations about Radiometric Dating

Many believe the earth is 4.5 billion years old. Modern geology uses radiometric dating to confirm this.
Some facts about radiometric dating:
1. It relies on a set of unprovable assumptions in order to work.
2. It wasn’t developed until the 20th Century. But the idea of an ancient Earth was worked out philosophically early in the 19th Century, with no scientific evidence for an ancient Earth, but only philosophical interpretation.
3. In many cases, radiometrically dated rock has yielded both younger and older dates than the one finally accepted. The geological timetable, developed in the 1800s, is the final determiner of age.
4. Fossils and dinosaur bones are not directly dated using radiometric dating. Ideas for dating fossils were worked out philosophically about 100 years before radiometric dating was developed.
5. Carbon-14 is not used to date archaeological discoveries without first comparing them with pottery styles and any available written documents.
6. Using index fossils to date fossil discoveries is falling into disuse, as the same fossils are being increasingly discovered below and above their accepted time markers

Radiometric Dating fails as a time predictor because the processes cannot be observed or recorded in the past.

Our Response

As believers, we are to live by the words of Scripture, which come from God’s mouth (Matt. 4:4). Jesus quoted and trusted the Old Testament. Also, ”…the righteous will live by faith.” (Hab. 2:4.) And, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” (Rom. 4:3).

Many scientists say things that contradict what Scripture says, especially about Earth’s age. If we are to trust God’s words, what does this mean for us?

An example:
Genesis 5 is a list of the descendants of Adam, from Seth, to the Flood. This totals about 1656 years. If Adam was created on day six of Creation Week, this means that earth must be younger than 4.5 billion years. If this Biblical record is incorrect, then what the Bible says about salvation and forgiveness of sins is suspect.

Radioactivity and Radiometric Dating Explanation

Radioactivity is observable and measurable in the present.
Radiometric Dating seeks to apply this science to the distant past, to make it work like a clock.

Some atoms are unstable. They lose energy (decay, are radioactive). For example, Carbon-12 is a normal, stable element, with six protons and neutrons. Carbon-14, though, has six protons, and eight neutrons. It is unstable and seeks to lose particles, or decay (is radioactive). Radioactive atoms release energy which can be measured in decays per second (Becquerels). By taking these present rates of decay and projecting them into the past (assuming a constant decay rate), an age for the earth can be statistically calculated. This is not science, but a combination of science, history, philosophy, and consensus.

Uranium is an example of an unstable element. Theoretically, if it loses enough atomic particles, it becomes lead. It is assumed that this will happen, even though nobody has seen the entire process. It can’t be verified.

But if the Genesis Flood took place, then these assumptions about radiometric dating would be thrown off. All geological processes would have changed by this sudden release of heat and energy.

To date anything, we must know its history. Christian orthodoxy proclaims that the Bible is God’s revelation to man, is historical, and reveals to us the outline of the Earth’s history. Contrast that to the Enlightenment, which helped set the course for modern geology, and says that there is no Biblical revelation and that the Bible isn’t historical.

Summary

1. Radiometric dating isn’t science, but an application of the philosophy of uniformitarianism.
2. Uniformitarianism denies the historical Genesis Flood.
3. Uniformitarianism is a belief about the past.
4. Uniformitarianism is scientifically limited to the present.
5. Uniformitarianism consists of extrapolation and assumptions.
6. Radioactivity isn’t the same thing as radiometric dating.

As believers, we must look at things differently. 2 Corinthians 10:3-5. “…We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God….”

  1. Genesis: Rock Solid, A Biblical View of Geology http://northwestrockandfossil.org/index.php?route=product/product&filter_name=enesis+rock+solid&product_id=318
  2. Bedrock Geology  http://northwestrockandfossil.org/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_77&product_id=305
  3. Fossils, Dinosaurs and Cave Men http://northwestrockandfossil.org/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_64&product_id=308
  4. The Geology of Yellowstone, a Biblical Guide http://northwestrockandfossil.org/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_95&product_id=324
  5. Geology and Our National Parks http://northwestrockandfossil.org/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_95&product_id=459

Story In The Rocks

The Story in the Rocks Episode 10

Story in the Rocks | Patrick Nurre shares the story in the rocks in today’s’ episode. Below find the show notes, and also a set you can also download a set. | #podcast #creationpodcast

Story in the Rocks | Patrick Nurre shares the story in the rocks in today's' episode. Below find the show notes, and also a set you can also download a set. | #podcast #creationpodcast

Here is the handout in an easy to download format. Below are the show notes as well. The Story in the Rocks

Introduction: Secular scientists tell us that the rocks are like the pages of a history book that can only be read by those trained in modern geology. The rocks do tell a story, but you must start from a correct historical perspective of the history of Earth.

Until the mid to late 1700’s those who studied nature were called naturalists. Their study sprang from the Creation story and the Genesis Flood as told in scripture. Newton and Galileo used this approach.  Nicolas Steno, one of the first to study geology, followed this. His rules are still taught today.

What about radiometric dating being used to date rocks and bones? Consider this:

  1. Radioactivity was discovered in 1897. The first radiometric age of the earth was calculated in 1917. But modern geology had already established early ages for the earth over 100 years before radiometric dating. So those who established these early ages in the 1800s were guessing.
  2. Since radiometric dating was first developed, many problems have surfaced with it. Numerous articles have been written about these problems.

How old are the rocks, fossils, and the earth? What is the story in the rocks?

These questions can’t be resolved by science, (observation, testing, and repetition of tests). And even before we answer these, we need a starting point.

There are two starting points, and both are philosophies. One is the Bible. The other came from the Enlightenment, a movement in the 18th and 19th centuries. It was a breakaway from the traditions of the church, the Bible, and miracles. Everything was to be studied apart from these. The historicity of the Scriptures was rejected, even though there was no sound reason for doing this.

The starting point for this second view was an idea called, uniformitarianism. It rejected a young Earth and a global flood, and said, instead, that the geology we observe now shaped the earth over immensely long periods of time. James Hutton considered the Father of Modern Geology, promoted this. This is the only view that is accepted in our modern educational institutions.

So how old are the rocks and fossils?

This must be answered from a historical framework. Uniformitarianism is limited in its ability to address this historically since the history of observation in uniformitarianism is limited to the past two hundred years. But the Bible records a global geological event that took place 4500 years ago.

Let’s apply the Biblical concept to the rocks.

Volcanic rocks: These are the only rocks we see forming. They spew out dangerous gases and cause destruction. They would not have been a part of the original, very good creation. Volcanoes would fit in Gen. 7:11 when the fountains of the great deep burst open.

Granitic rocks: Nobody has seen them form, but the consensus is that they are the foundation rocks of Earth. Biblical history would have them created within the first few days of the creation week.

Metamorphic rocks (changed rocks): Nobody has seen these form. Biblical history would fit them in Gen. 7:11. Sediments produced at this time as well as foundation rocks would have been changed through heat and pressure as these rocks ground against each other, consequently rearranging the minerals into new patterns. Limestone could have changed into marble, sandstone into quartzite, granite into gneiss.

Fossils (found in sedimentary rocks): These are explained by a catastrophic flood. Muddy sediments would have quickly buried billions of creatures and plants, preserving examples of the pre-flood world. And we now know that it does not take millions of years to form a fossil, but the right chemical environment.

Conclusion: The rocks and fossils tell a story, from the creation of elements to the destruction of the earth in a year-long, global flood. It is clearly seen in the evidence.